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    • #591
      John
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      I mentioned awhile ago, that I'm a big fan of martial arts. I could sit and watch martial arts for hours on end. Love it. Figured a lot of your folks might be interested in these fellas on youtube. In a previous post, I mentioned "Silat Tomoi" to see a Silat style influenced by Muay Thai (ie: blade awareness, but with a strong usage of elbows and knees...hmm...sounds familiar).Also worth watching is (via youtube) Mike Faraone. He's studied with Victor and Plinck. I'm assuming others. I know at one point he was a representative for Paul Vunak's brand of JKD, but he decided to ditch it in favor of Serak (I am not saying either is better, just quoting his bio). He's come up with a very unique flavor. Its fun to trace movement parts to lineage.Also worth watching is (do a youtube search) Jutte Kung Fu (you can also search youtube with "Silat Boxing"). He infused Victor's Tendjekan/Pukulan with his body-method and combinations. Really interesting stuff (he's a Victor Serak student out of Australia).Also check out "karatefire". He does Victor's Serak as well, but infuses his own interpretations in it. Infact, he's also found the Serak elbow escape from a Thai Clinch in one of the videos. He is also a unique voice with different movements from the aforementioned folks.I'm >NOT< saying that I agree with what they're doing, or that these are the epitome of Silat or AKTS. But I do enjoy watching their movement and expressions of the arts. I find them all distinctive and worthy of study. Your mileage may vary. :)But it is fascinating for me to see such distinctive, viable, and yet separate expressions of arts that have such a similar background (Tomoi being a bit of an exception here, unless you go big picture). It really re-enforces how each of the Dethouar brothers expresses similar arts so differently. I find it absolutely fascinating. And going back to my other post on "Filters", it really shows the wealth of personal expression these arts can provide. JohnPS: On a tangent, for those who love documentary type stuff on these arts, look at the uploader of a lot of the "Tomoi" videos. His name is Antonio Graceffo, aka Brooklyn Monk. The guy gave up a job as an investment banker or some such, and has been living in Asia for almost 7+ years just studying various hard-to-find arts (Bokotor, Predal Serreh, Tomoi, Muay Thai Sangha, Muay Chaiya, etc). Real interesting stuff. His video uploads to youtube are practically a full National Geographic series all on their own. I'm reading his book now. Great stuff. His New York directness is funny. Great read, good vids, and for people who like to look at historical stuff on martial arts, its a blast.Obviously the actual history may be difficult to verify in some cases due to secrecy, word-of-mouth transmission of knowledge, etc. etc. But if you got time, a few bags of popcorn, and a few liters of cold iced tea, this is a great thing to sit back and watch for a few hours.

    • #1456
      John
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      Found a new interesting reference. Obviously finding commonality across arts indicate high value, just as distinctive aspects of arts indicate unique perspectives/purposes. I thought some folks might find this interesting.Go to youtube and search "Ten basic exercises of Muay Thai Chaiya". After the first couple, you'll start noticing a startling similarity between the movements they do and the "Eagle Stance" in the basics. There's a stress on hopping back and forth between one foot in the air, with the knee up. The need for balance for throwing the knee, while providing isometric strengthening for the legs is obvious. The delta is more interesting (hand positioning). Whereas Muay Chaiya focuses on throwing knees to punish the opponent (i.e.: Inflict pain over time to provide an entertaining fight without permanent injury), the hand positioning of the eagle stance (which is similar to a lot of work in bagua regarding vertical use of force vectors) hints towards using the knee to help uproot the person for a throw to end the altercation, followed by the low horse stance in the middle sequence to give them a nice bed to land on (the knee). Again, fascinating stuff. Obviously as a conceptual art, I'm only indicating one grouping of movements (knee to help uproot, with hands moving upward to continue to offset opponent's center of gravity). There's a lot more available. But very interesting stuff for study. Another reason I'm such a huge fan of the way Sigung organized the material. The "Basics" are foundational material are some of my favorite stuff (plus Satu and Dua, the Serak stuff, Monjet, Po Kwa, and Ling Sing Toi). John

    • #1457
      Anonymous
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      FWIW, Mike Farone bought a bunch of AKTS videos, so it wouldn't surprise me much if he didn't pick something up there too.

    • #1458
      John
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      That explains alot. Faraone plays with the depth of the Djuru One opening which you don't see much in Serak, but you do see in the warmup basics and variations for Satu.The djuru one going downward as a circle is seen in some branches, but not the circle going forward, except in the warmup basics. interesting!Looks like Faraone had Paul out there recently. Interesting to see via YouTube. Really hammers home how privileged we are to have access to these arts.John

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